Employee spotlight: Yves Doucet

Who's Yves Doucet? He's Dovico's culture coach, master team builder and co-founder. When Yves is not busy enriching the team's lives with positivity, he can be found in Dovico's yoga studio practicing and teaching yoga. "You became an engineer, then entrepreneur, and then you moved into being an author. You're also moving into coaching and teaching yoga. But it's still the same Yves going into the ideas, into the vision, into the observation and discoveries of yourself and your team." - Diane  (Podcast interview by co-founder and sister Diane Doucet)

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Diane Doucet:               Hi,

Diane Doucet:               Comment ca va? <Laugh> we have to start in French because you know, our native language is French Acadian from New Brunswick, Canada. And I like to introduce my brother, Yves. He's actually my brother, my friend, my business partner, all of that together, mixed up. And my coach we'll talk about that later, but first Yves, I wanna talk to you about when we were kids. So I know you're an entrepreneur and you're an engineer and all this and that, but when we were kids, I think I saw that then that you're an idea person. You really are. You're a visionary, you see things the way other people don't. And do you remember the story about the bike?

Yves Doucet:                 Oh yeah.

Diane Doucet:               Yeah. So it was my birthday.

Yves Doucet:                 I remember a story about a bike

Diane Doucet:               <Laugh> yes. Yeah. So it was my birthday and it was a little bit before my birthday and Yves and my brother, Pierre, who's an engineer as well decided they wanted to surprise me by fixing my bike. My bike was a second-hand bike that I got from somebody else. I don't even know who and they had, they took it apart. They put all the pieces on the floor, in his bedroom, and were working on it. So I go into the bedroom wanting to take something. I don't know what it was. And then I, you know, hop over the, the pieces, even Pierre look up to me and say, oh, oh my God, she must know what we're doing. But I had no clue on my birthday. The bike was hanging in the garage, all painted the parts were all changed. It was brand new. I think your journey of fixing things and making things started from there, do you think I'm right?

Yves Doucet:                 Well, I, I don't know. <Laugh> where my journey began on uhm I'm gonna say this, right. Uhm I see kind of a need or an opportunity or a, a way to be part of something. And for me at that point was what can I give you? I didn't have any money. Right. And I didn't even know how to fix a bike by the way. <Laugh>

Diane Doucet:               I know

Yves Doucet:                 So I had to figure that out and I thought, well, I can do that. Maybe I could try to do that. And uhm yeah, it's, it's this, this thing about why that is inside of me, that wants to make something out of nothing. And then to be part of the community, like to be part, to give it away right. To, to just share like, share what I've discovered. Right. So it it's, it wasn't the bike per say. It was this discovery of like how to take the spokes apart and how to take the chain apart and how to take the ball Bearings outta the wheel and how to like how to paint. I had never painted bike before it was that discovery. So what I give, what I want to give you, wasn't the bike. It was the energy in the bike, like the discovery in the bike.

Diane Doucet:               And it was, and it was so beautiful. And I saw that. Right. So the bike meant more to me because you spent all that time doing it and it with me forever. Yeah. More so than having a new bike that, you know, the gift of it was your energy and your time. Yeah. The gift of it was your presence, you and Pierre into it and doing it with such love and such attention to detail made the bike such an immense gift.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. And I think everybody has that inside, you have that inside of you. I see it. Right. And I've seen you do it. Like, I think everybody has that inside of them. But sometimes what stops us is the being perfect.

Diane Doucet:               Mm.

Yves Doucet:                 Right. Trying to be per- like the perfect bike, my like trying to make it as good as a bike as you could buy in the store like that wasn't in my mind because I, like, as soon as I start and I try to be perfect, like the bike in the store like that, like I don't even start.

Diane Doucet:               Right.

Yves Doucet:                 So I, so I, you see what I mean? So to me, it's learning of learning and then the energy of learning. And then in that I can find something to be part of a community with. Right. Yeah. So and it doesn't mean that I don't try my best. Right. And I don't try to make it as, as nice as perfect as possible. It just means that I have kind of tendency not to think about that.

Diane Doucet:               Right,

Yves Doucet:                 Right. So I'm more in, I'm more involved in the discovery of what is, what am I like? Oh, geez. I never knew I could paint my bike. What does that mean? Well, okay. You have to sand it, you have to, you know, Base coat it, you have to, you have to let it dry. Then you have to, I go a paint on it. They have to put like a lacker on it. Like all those things, like all those little things were, and the, the interesting thing with the bike. Yeah. I'm just gonna share, this is like one thing I had so much time doing was putting the spokes back on like balancing wheel, like balancing the wheel. And I've been looking for how to do that ever since, by the way,

Diane Doucet:               <Laugh>, I didn't know,

Yves Doucet:                 Still, still in my back of my, my head. Right. And I've learned a lot about how to do that, but yeah, so I, that's the way the, like, for me, if like, if you, if we just can remove the, the perfection of trying to do something and we focus on the creativity of it, not the winning, like, you know, you might like,

Diane Doucet:               Yeah, just, just the observation of it. And I think all of your, all of your career, even your education. So you're a professional engineer by trade, graduated from the university of new Brunswick course. And the university of Moncton started in Moncton, finished in new, in in Fredericton. And then you worked for a research center called CADMI Microelectronics, where you helped a lot of different people who were entrepreneurs or wanted to start their own businesses develop their idea. So, you know, that must have been, I think, for you, that must have been a really interesting piece of your career. So you were a director of that center and you were part of, you know, going out in the world and making these ideas true. How did that feel for you?

Yves Doucet:                 Well, you're right. Like what happened is I became an engineer and I had a couple of jobs before CADMI, that research center. And they were all involving, basically being an engineer, like and at CADMI, my first years were being an engineer, designing electronic and software products, electromechanical. So it was very technical. And after a while I said, okay, well, what's the next kind of math problem I could find. And that was, you know running a business. Right, right. So I CADMI, I discovered the art of running a business. Right. And that's kind of journeyed me into, oh, okay, well, this is another thing I can contribute. I can, it's another way to, it's another problem to solve. Right. If you want. Right. So that brought me into finance, sales, marketing and then building different businesses and finally into Dovico. Right. Right. But in a way it's the same kind of thing. It's like, okay, how can I deconstruct this? Right. And then build it better and then give it away.

Diane Doucet:               Can you, can you, can you, this keeps popping up in my head. I know a story, and I just wanna make people laugh here, but what's the weirdest thing anyone ever came to you to build. And I, I know of one, I don't know if you're gonna think of, of that.

Yves Doucet:                 Well, like when I was CADMI, so we were a research center that had like engineers of mechanical, electronic, and software engineers. So people will come to us with ideas. Right. So the, we, one of the one, one day somebody came to me and he says, I have invented a new air conditioner unit. Yeah. Way to, like he says, it's so cheap. It's unbelievable. I said, okay, well, that's like, that's interesting. And I said, what is it? He said, I can't tell you. I said, why can't you tell me where you're gonna have to sign this non-disclosure. And because it's like, everybody's gonna steal it when they find out. So I, I was curious, typically I wouldn't sign those things, but I said, oh, sure. Let's play it along. Yeah. I'll sign one. So we signed it. So his idea was I that he what he had done is like, he was in the ice business. So he had trucks of ice, like in the fishing industry need lots of ice. And he said like, we make lots of ice. Right.

Diane Doucet:               Okay.

Yves Doucet:                 And it just melts. Right. So what you can do is take the blocks of ice and then, you know, put a container around it, put a fan, and that would be your air conditioner. <Laugh> so <laugh>, so that was his idea. And then he says, I like, imagine like how many people need air conditioners? And I imagine like how many trucks I would get? And I thought, okay, well, that's interesting. Is that the one you're looking at? I thought that was kind of funny, but for me,

Diane Doucet:               That's not the one, it's the one of the banana. Do you remember the banana? <Laugh> I still wanna, I still wanna do that one. You, so <laugh>

Yves Doucet:                 Actually somebody invented it. That wasn't, that wasn't a funny one. Well, it was funny somebody. Well, it

Diane Doucet:               Was funny to me the way you told it anyway. But do you wanna tell about that one? I really think people need to know about the banana idea as a new business. Yeah. Like it, it could work. Okay.

Yves Doucet:                 So you have to understand that we'd get one a week. Like these, like people come up with ideas and they say, I gonna make a million. And this guy had invited, he called it the fart muffler <laugh>. So I said, okay, well, okay, let's hear what that is. And he basically took out out of a bag and it looked like a banana. Like he was shaped like a banana. And he said, you know, you have different scents. And he had little things and he would spray it. And he put that in his

Diane Doucet:               Un du Toilet. And did he call them?

Yves Doucet:                 That? And you know, when people like, you know, let one go like you, instead of like spelling bad, it smells good. It's a fart muffler. But it also, it muffles the sound <laugh>. So that was but I saw it on the market like

Diane Doucet:               You did. Oh, I wanna buy one.

Yves Doucet:                 I be sure you Google it. You probably can find like, I don't, I don't think it was him though. Somebody else.

Diane Doucet:               Oh, it was somebody else they sold there. I idea. So two things from this one, you can have fun with ideas. Right.

Yves Doucet:                 <Laugh> and just have fun with it

Diane Doucet:               And yeah. Yeah. Just have fun with it. Just have fun with it. And two, the discovery. So you you're always in discovery, but you always have fun. So every day I see you laughing Yves, you know, to say the truth. I, I think throughout my life with you, I've known you all my life. You know that, I mean,

Yves Doucet:                 I'm your

Diane Doucet:               Sister, but

Yves Doucet:                 You've, you know, me all your life. That's

Diane Doucet:               All my life. <Laugh>

Yves Doucet:                 How that make.

Diane Doucet:               You've only known me for pieces of yours. So <laugh>

Yves Doucet:                 True.

Diane Doucet:               So, but you know, out of all of that, I think that that I've learned through you is just, you know, the hu- your humor put, put humor into it, put love into it, put fun into it. Right. So, and, and be the discovery of it. Be in, be in discovery of what you can find. And, and, but another thing that you need and would call you entrepreneur, why? Because you take risk, you take risk in a way that other other people can't like, I can't, you can take risk, you take risks financially, but you always take risk with things of uncertainty. You always take risk of uncertainty. So let's talk a little bit about the businesses you started. So in my head, I remember so you were director of, of CADMI, but you, you really started AdvaTech you started Dovico, you started the online division of Spelo gaming international. What, what other businesses, businesses you do? Partake in

Yves Doucet:                 My God. So many.

Diane Doucet:               I know you've had a few.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. And I there's a few that were successful and most didn't work. Yeah. I started a, you know, video distribution company, like the like dispensing video machines an eco, an E-training company, like a, a,

Diane Doucet:               Oh, yes. E-Com

Yves Doucet:                 Of course. E-Com yeah.

Diane Doucet:               Online training. And at the time, it wasn't such a great idea because people weren't ready to receive that. Right. So you were ahead of the curve. You were ahead of the curve. Advatech was interesting. Now this was a punch in punch out system.

Yves Doucet:                 This was a way to measure it's. It was to measure productivity in the fish industry. So for example, you would measure, like we designed a product that could measure the size of salmon. Okay. Measure the salmon, like tag the salmon. So when the salmon and then send the information to Boston on, at the fish market. So they would order and be on the salmon. And when we sold the person sold salmon, we would capture the salmon and then fill it, box it, tag it, and then send it to them. So it was a, so that was one use of the system to basically measure way bar code. So tag, right. And then do a, a program that allowed the people to be more effective in, in selling different fish products, lobster, crab, salmon, other things. Right.

Diane Doucet:               But that, what was successful,

Yves Doucet:                 That that was successful and Spelo was I was gaming machines. Then I had a snowboarding company, right. A yoga company. And what else? Like, so yeah.

Diane Doucet:               Dovico software company

Yves Doucet:                 Dovico software. Yeah. like you say, life is taking risk, measurable risk is always okay. Like dangerous risk. Well, no

Diane Doucet:               Financial risk.

Yves Doucet:                 Well, yeah. So, you know, what is so for, for some people, financial risk is $10 and for is like Elon Musk is billions. Like it depends. Yeah. So it's, it is just zeros at the end. Right. So it gets dangerous when you're taking risk to the extreme. Right. Right. So, so whether or not you want to believe it, you're taking risk every day, you decide to walk to work. It's a risk, but you calculate the risk. Right. You don't see it as a risk, but you are taking a risk. Yeah. When you go work for someone you calculate that risk, like you do that in your head, like everybody does this, like every single human on this planet, like calculates risk. We're just not aware that we're doing a calculation of risk, like

Diane Doucet:               Even, even working for a company versus another company. So going for working for a private company, take taking a risk in the sense that, well, it's not, it is. And it's not in the sense that well, maybe the company won't last. Right. But yeah. So

Yves Doucet:                 It's always a risk

Diane Doucet:               It's, it's a risk. And not really because you're gaining that experience and you're taking that experience with you.

Yves Doucet:                 Well, you, you don't know if the boss is gonna be treating you well, you don't know if the customers are good, like you, there's a lot of risk in life. Life is living with risk. Right. so what I would say that I, I would do that's different is I understand risk. Right. I understand that life is risk. Right. So I also understand the limits of risk. So I go and I say, well, that's a little risky. Let's try it out. Yeah. And it's like, and I, I, I work a lot in trying to figure out risk. Yeah. What is risky? What's not. Yeah. And so that's what I do, but it's a practice. Most people don't put attention to risk. They just don't want to see the risk. They wanna see comfort. Right.

Diane Doucet:               Yeah.

Yves Doucet:                 And

Diane Doucet:               Complacent,

Yves Doucet:                 Pardon?

Diane Doucet:               Complacent. Like just complacent, complacent. It's just like, so people, you know, people wanna be that, so it's easier to, to, to, you know, be in the same old, same old,

Yves Doucet:                 Well, yeah, like it's like it's, it's like human beings tend, we tend to be comfortable. We wanna be comfortable. Right. And that's the state. We wanna be that in that state. And we are always looking for comfort. Right. And then, and we're always looking for more of comfort, not less of comfort. And the problem is not that we want more comfort. The problem is we want all the comfort. We always want to be comfortable. Right,

Diane Doucet:               Right.

Yves Doucet:                 Right. We want beautiful days every day,

Diane Doucet:               Every day

Yves Doucet:                 We wanna be happy every day.

Diane Doucet:               Yeah. Yeah.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. And I always say this, like the best country and Western songs are not created in happiness. They're created in the, the drama of happiness.

Diane Doucet:               Yeah.

Yves Doucet:                 Right. So, so are opportunities. And so are, so is life. Life is part of like taking risk and seeing is seeing trauma a little bit, like, you know, taking some risk in your life. Anyway, we're getting off track, but <laugh>

Diane Doucet:               Not, not really because it's about you. So it's about you, who is Yves. So people wanna know who you are and what you've done, but really what you've done is, is more, you know, and it goes deeper than that. Right? So to me, to me, you're the type of entrepreneur or business person or person or, or, or, or friend or coach that is able to, to, to go to the edge, take that risk and not really be attached to the outcome. And when I say that, I'll give you an example. So when we started Dovico you were able to say, Diane, you know, do you wanna start this company? Then I said, yes, you were working at Spelo and you completely, let me go. You said, go and, and explore that option. And I will help you along the way, but I'm not gonna be over your shoulder and telling you what to do every day. You didn't say it that way. Of course, you didn't say that at all. But I saw it. I saw it during all these years. And that's the type of person that I see you are with everybody around you, where you don't necessarily, you know, you're able to take the risk. So being an entrepreneur is not just about taking the risk. It's about also letting go and letting other people discover that's when you become a real entrepreneur.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. So, okay. Let's look at that as an interesting way. So, so when I, I looked at you, I said, there's no risk. She's gonna work hard. She's gonna try her best. Right. And she's gonna discover, and I'm just gonna guide her. Right. So, so that's also like an assessment of risk. Yeah. But, so I went from an engineer, right. To a business person when you kind of joined Dovico I was a business person trying to figure out how to manage risk in businesses. Right. Where I am right now is the problem I'm trying to solve. Right. Is how to how to discover who you are. Right. To discover the potential that you have, like billing tools and environments in order to do that, the problem I'm trying to solve all is trying to resolve this issue. That we're never happy. Right. Right. Try to resolve this issue that we're always looking for something more, instead of just being all we can be right now, it's a problem I'm trying to solve. Right. So it's the same problem. Right? It's always that, sorry, it's, it's always the same formula. What is the problem I'm trying to solve? I'm trying to fix a bike, right. Or I'm trying to build a gaming machine, or I'm trying to figure how, how companies work or how innovation works. Right. And then I'm trying to build

Diane Doucet:               A fart muffler, you know,

Yves Doucet:                 Or build a fart muffler. What problem? Now they didn't interest me because I thought like, you know, Farting is natural. So it had no interest to me because it's not a problem. We're trying that I was trying to solve no. Right. This problem, this guy had another problem. Right. And I, I suggest you

Diane Doucet:               Were trying to solve that. <Laugh>.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. But I did suggest some solutions. You didn't like my solutions and one of my, No, I eat less beans. <Laugh>, you know, garbage, well, garbage in, garbage out. Like you're trying to solve the problem. That's maybe the problem

Diane Doucet:               I never thought of it that way

Yves Doucet:                 Garbage in garbage out, like it's that simple. Yeah. So it's always about the problem you're trying to solve. And the problem for me, it's always been okay, what is the problem I'm trying to solve, right. Yeah. yeah. How, how can I build something with no money and that you would like that? So you wanted a bike, so, okay. How do I do that? Okay. Well, I start with the, the parts that you have and re-build the bike. Yeah. So that's kinda, how do I do something to basically, for me to discover and then for you as a gift, right?

Diane Doucet:               Yeah. And what I love about you Yves is that lightness, you put around the lightness lightness, make it light, light, light lightness. You put around about, around how you work and how you work. And that's why people follow you. So people followed you from CADMI, they went over to Spelo. Then, then they came over to Dovico. So people follow you. And why it's because you bring that lightness, you bring that, that attention to, to people, your presence, right? You bring your presence there. My dad used to do that too, with the little cards he said, you know, he would say, thank you. So you bring that in other ways, but you bring you know, I've seen you cook for the team. I've seen you do that many times before. COVID I've seen you meet with individual people. I've seen you, you know, just, just be there, be there for people, which is a big thing.

Diane Doucet:               So you're entrepreneur, you're attentive and, and present with people that makes a big difference. But I saw a big, a big switch in you in the last few years. And you side to, when you talk about it during your Monday mindset Mon- with, with, with Shelly of course, but, you know, so you became, so, so you were an ideas person, became an engineer and then entrepreneur, and then you moved into authoring. So you wrote a book you're writing the second one and you are, you're also moving into coaching and teaching yoga. So you know, what a switch, what a, what a journey, right? Bringing you deeper into other things. But in other ways, to me, it goes with, you know, discovery, you're still into discoveries, you're into discoveries of yourself and you're into discoveries of what you can discover cover in other people while you're doing that. But it's still the same Yves going into the ideas, into the vision, into the observation and discoveries.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. So so let's just look at the book compared to the bike. To me, it's the same thing. I know it looks different to you, right? So one of the, the things that I I'm not attached to is perfection, right? So like when I started writing a book, the first book I wrote while I gave it to them people, and, you know, nobody came back and said it was a wonderful book. The only person who came back was my friend, Peter. And he said, there should be a law against you writing, and he's a lawyer. Right. So I said, okay, that's interesting. Thank you for that. And I wrote it again. So I completely wrote like completely keep in mind that it takes a year, at least to write a book. I completely wrote it again. I gave it to sent other people, including Peter, nobody came back and he came back and says, I told you before, there should be a rule or law against you writing a book. And I said, okay. And I said, okay, I just parked that. And then I decided to write another book. Okay. And and I, and the observation of that is I realized, and the same thing for the bike. Right. I didn't like, I, the first time I did the wheel, it wasn't balanced. You didn't see that, but it was all wobbly. Yeah.

Diane Doucet:               <Laugh> I didn't see it

Yves Doucet:                 It. And then I did it again. And then, then again, and then that again. So, so there's this concept of not being attached to the outcome. Right. So, so if you leave and when, when he told me those words, it hurt me for a minute and I thought, okay, I'm just gonna do it again. And it's this concept of, of being empty or starting with a blank canvas. Right. So when I wrote the second book, which is now published, right, the first book was never published. And now we're working on my third book, that's going to be published. It's this concept of being empty. And it's the same thing as, as the bike. Like I do it until there's nothing else I could do.

Diane Doucet:               Right.

Yves Doucet:                 I've ended this discovery of it until I do the wheel. I do it a wheel. I do the, until I I'm okay. There's nothing else I could do. I've learned everything I can. And then I give it away. Right. So I put everything that I had in the book. And I tried the most that I can in the book, make it as simple, as clear as possible. And then I get give it away. And that's writing a book that's making yeah. Painting. That's making a software. So you give everything, all your knowledge that you have, you put that into the exercise that you're doing and you give it away to be of service. Right. Because human beings, we have two things we wanna be, we wanna serve ourselves, but we need to also serve others. It's that simple. So when you're like not attached to the outcome, you are in service of yourself. Right.

Diane Doucet:               Right.

Yves Doucet:                 When you're not, when you're being empty, you're in service of others. Now that doesn't mean you're not gonna charge for the book. That's not what I'm talking about. Right. There's nothing wrong with making a living and earning money. What I'm saying is like, it's the process and it doesn't matter what you're doing in life to me. Right. You just have to be joyfully doing it. And so the book is the same thing. And coaching is the same thing. I like, I, we did a coaching session, you and I yesterday in the executive team. And, and when I left, I was empty. I had nothing else to give. Like, I, this is what I had. I had that. And like, what else to do? Like I had, it's not to do. I said, I gave, I gave everything I had. Right. Like, it was like, okay, now I'm empty.

Yves Doucet:                 And in the emptiness, well, this, what else can I do? What can I do from here? What is new? Right. So in emptying everything you can say, okay, doesn't mean that you're attached to it. You just move on to the next thing, say, okay, well, what can I do from here? Maybe the next thing is another book. Maybe the next thing is another coaching. And you do it. And I do this with, you know, when I went to see Robin Sharma, like in the learning, or when I went to see Baron Baptist, like, I'll dive into these people until I've learned everything I can, and then I'll give everything away.

Diane Doucet:               It's like a spike

Yves Doucet:                 By giving it doesn't mean in service, in giving in service, right. We build products from that. We build coaching from that. We, we serve the community from that. And again, it doesn't mean that you're not selling it. It means that you're giving it, you give everything away and you're empty. Right. And that's what we do at Dovico. When we look at it, we put everything in our product. And then we, when it's the best that they can be, and it stands in its own, right? Like it's solid. Well, we give it away to our customer. Wait, of course we don't give it away. Right. We make money selling it, but we have given our best. Right. We're empty.

Diane Doucet:               Yeah. Yeah. We have to, we have to charge for, we have, otherwise you wouldn't have a business, but <laugh>

Yves Doucet:                 Well, I, you know, it is, everybody has like, you have to charge your painting, your coaching. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying thing wrong with that. And what I'm saying is you have to be empty.

Diane Doucet:               Yeah.

Yves Doucet:                 Like it has to be the best that you can be, not the perfection, not the best, it's the best that you can do right now. Right. And then you deliver and then you delivery, then you become an observation. You say, well, that's interesting what problem that I solve. Right. Like that. So it's, to me, the book is the same thing as the bike.

Diane Doucet:               Right for me, for you. That's and maybe, you know, that that's a, a real, that's just an example. How, how you put it together. Well,

Yves Doucet:                 Can I, can I ask a question? Yes. So do you remember when I gave you the bike?

Diane Doucet:               Yes. It was hung. I can remember in my head. So it was in the, in the shed because we had a shed in the backyard and it was hung by the tire, you know, over like that. And then when I opened the doors and I saw you open the doors, and then I saw the bike hiding there, then I put the, the, you know, the day of when you were, you and Pierre were working on it.

Yves Doucet:                 So, yeah. And so do you remember we, when I gave you the book?

Diane Doucet:               Yes. I remember when you gave me the book. Of course. I mean, that was a beautiful moment as well. I also remember when you gave me a jewelry box.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. So it's the same thing you see. So

Diane Doucet:               The jewelry box was you, you were in high school and doing shop and and remember we're five in our family, five kids. So the two sisters, two brothers. And for some reason I got special treatment. I don't know why I'd like to know why I did I get special treatment because Charlin didn't get a box. You get a box.

Yves Doucet:                 Yeah. Don't tell the other sisters or your brother. Okay.

Diane Doucet:               We won't just,

Yves Doucet:                 Don't like, you're like, you're, you're the chosen one. So that's what, oh, <laugh>

Diane Doucet:               Why is that?

Yves Doucet:                 I dunno.

Diane Doucet:               So the box I kept for years and years and years, and really, I regret not having it today, but it's a wooden box inside, had a valor, red valor lining. Yeah. And it stayed with me. I brought it with me in Ontario. When I moved there, I kept it until I was, I think, 30 years old, then it started falling apart. But it, it, you know, it lasted a long time. I still know how it, I still, you know, have memories of what it looked like and how special it was to me. So I brought it with me everywhere I went. So, yeah. So that was a special, a special thing for me. But you, you showed your innovation there too, because it was so well done. You know?

Yves Doucet:                 So let let's time, maybe for me to ask you some question.

Diane Doucet:               Yes. Well, we'll do my employee highlight after, but I have one more question for you. Okay. What's your proudest moment in your life? Do you know

Yves Doucet:                 Right now

Diane Doucet:               Oh, I love that, I love you Yves.

Yves Doucet:                 Love you too.

Diane Doucet:               <Laugh> you're the best.